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Where are skeptics getting their temperature data?
Published by: jack 2010-03-18
  • Some skeptics (on this forum) have claimed that the global temperature average has been dropping over the last decade, i'm curious as to where this data comes from?
  • FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: A Challenge to Climate ::
    The argument isnt over short-term temperature fluctuations, its over their cause and Got a fact around how we about dead center on the global long term temperature scale?
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    Did Napoleon Use Hansens Temperature Data? Climate Audit::
    Did Napoleon Use Hansens Temperature Data? Its colder in Russia in must be either AGW-ers or skeptics â “ these are completely false dilemmas (sic) and
    http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/10/did-napoleon-use-hansens-temperature-data/
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  • The same place as everyone else... try graphing it for yourself against CO2 concentration.

    http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/dia...
    http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t...
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabled...
    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/rese...

    CO2 from Mauna Loa since 1958.
    ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/c...

    Why don't we see a warming trend in the last 10 years if CO2 is the major forcing factor?
    Stolen e-mails embolden climate change skeptics::
    Another disparaged the skeptics, and a scientist said the last thing I need is getting hassled by a couple of people to release temperature data
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20091210/climate-hacked-e-mails/
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  • I've asked this same question many times, including just 2 days ago.
    Historical video perspective: our current unprecedented ::
    Where can I get individual copies. I put them on my I-Phone to show The change has been amazing; skeptics are now ridiculed and dismissed out of
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/12/historical-video-per-in-the-context-of-scale/
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    Global Temperature from GISS, NCDC, HadCRU Open Mind::
    But there are differences, notably the extreme high temperature reported by HadCRU in Lets get back to Taminos challenge: allow empirical data to end this
    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/giss-ncdc-hadcru/
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    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...

    Basically the answer is that the deniers cherrypick some hot year like 1998, then pick a cooler year like 2006 or 2008, then draw a line between those 2 points and say 'hey it's cooling!'.


  • Yep you've got it down. So-called "skeptics" rely on false claims with either no supporting data, cherrypicked data, or data which actually disproves their claims. Most often they simply make false and unsubstantiated claims. Report Abuse


  • A lot comes from websites set up with the sole aim to discredit the science of climate change, sites like wattsupwiththat.
    They show interesting looking graphs they claim are of things like Hadcrut data (temperature data) watts site has a habit of redrawing graphs.

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/30/s...
    Skeptics claim things like no warming since 98' based, I assume on information from sites like 'watts' but information from sites with stronger links to science like this.
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14...
    Have very different results,
    Which unlike the watts site is using the real Hadley center Hadcrut graph.


  • The operative word is 'some' sceptics.

    It would be more accurate to say that there has not been any statistically significant warming since 1998 and 2008 has seen unprecendented cooling.





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