Delving a bit into grammar

Published by: jane 2010-03-16

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Even grammar is wrong! Maybe someone shouldnt have read this article explain it a bit further, scroll down to theory #1 (although the rest is also worth
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Is this correct? In this sentence, I want くれる and not もらう, right?

来ないようにお願いできるの？
I'm going for "Can I ask you not to come?"

I would appreciate any help you could offer. Many thanks.

That's all right!

For a moment, I thought it was the onset of senile dementia... :relief:

Sorry, epigene, I got mixed up and switched the words around. Sorry about that. I'll fix the post.　ごめんなさい！ :bluush:

Note to self: もらう！！！

I'm really confused here--I'm not reading the thread correctly??
I thought I said "morau" is better than "kureru" because you're going to ask a favor to the teacher.. :clueless:

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It is all so confusing....:( It occured to me also as I was writing the above sentences, to wonder why I've heard くれるように頼む so much (although not させてくれる） more frequently than くれるように聞く。 :?

That's all right!
For a moment, I thought it was the onset of senile dementia... :relief:
I also sometimes still speak in a way that I feel is natural if I'm surprised to hear it might not be correct (not only from a dream, could be a simple misunderstanding in the explanation or different preferences....) so it actually kind of made sense to me. :relief:

Good day, folks. I'm trying to get a better grasp on various ways of expressing a certain sentence pattern in Japanese and I could just use a bit of help confirming if the following sentences are both grammatical and natural.
彼に「行かないで」と頼んだ。
彼に行かないように頼んだ。
No problems there, right?
Yes, both are correct.
Now this is different, right:
彼に行かないのを頼んだ。
Assuming this is correct Japanese, what would this sentence be expressing?
No, I don't think it's correct, grammatically speaking. However, you may hear it spoken--in the same way you hear incorrect English spoken, even by native speakers. Assuming that you heard it spoken, I think it was meant to be the same as the first two.
With that, please allow me to try one more sentence:
You should ask your teacher to let you turn in your homework tomorrow.
先生に明日宿題をさせてくれるように聞くべきだ。／～聞いたほうがいいんじゃない？
Is this correct? In this sentence, I want くれる and not もらう, right?
I say もらう is correct, because you're going to ask a favor to your teacher (need for humble form).
Also, I pretty sure it's typing error, but "turn in homework" is 宿題を提出する .
先生に、明日宿題を、提出させてもらえるように聞くべきだ。
～もらえるように聞いたほうがいいんじゃない？
来ないようにお願いできるの？
I'm going for "Can I ask you not to come?"
I would appreciate any help you could offer. Many thanks.
I think it's a strange question to ask, but here goes:
明日来ないようにしていただけますか？
明日来ないでいただけますか？
明日来ないでもらえる？
Personally, I think a straightforward command is more natural, since the question is certain to cause a dispute, regardless of how polite you say it.
明日来ないで。
明日来るな！:relief:

やはり、「くれる」のほうがいいですね。 My first instinct was that くれる seemed natural, but I could swear that I heard somewhere that もらう was correct and that I was surprised at that. Maybe that was in a dream somewhere. ^_^

Many thanks for the help.
先生に、締め切り（日）を一日延長してくれるように頼むべきだ。　
締め切り（日）を一日延長してくれるように、先生に頼むべきだ。

くれる　sounds already to me here, though, if you don't care as much about politeness. And the below is probly much worse...^_ ^:relief:

先生に、明日宿題を、提出させてくださいと頼む（聞く）べきだ。

Yes, both are correct.
No, I don't think it's correct, grammatically speaking. However, you may hear it spoken--in the same way you hear incorrect English spoken, even by native speakers. Assuming that you heard it spoken, I think it was meant to be the same as the first two.
You can say ことを頼んだ though, right ? The main difference being the formality compared with と頼んだ？

I say もらう is correct, because you're going to ask a favor to your teacher (need for humble form).
Also, I pretty sure it's typing error, but "turn in homework" is 宿題を提出する .

先生に、明日宿題を、提出させてもらえるように聞くべきだ。
～もらえるように聞いたほうがいいんじゃない？

Yes, I thought too I had never heard させてくれる but even now I'm out of practice and sometimes get all messed up in the the head when I start thinking too much....what is it that who is doing again ? and who is asking to receive the favor from or for whom ?.... :relief:

でも、多分、もう少し砕けて、「提出さてもらってもいいと聞くべき？」「提出させてもらうと」という言い方は良く使うでしょうね。もう少し柔らかい感じがしますね。:p

こんにちは皆さん! I got a short question..

is it better to write 書きできないが、読みできる。 or 書くことは出来ないが、読むことができる。 or, 書けないが、読める。

I'm not too sure about the difference between them..

皆さんよろしくおねがいしますね！

edit : for some reason I posted here instead of the "need a word or phrase translated".. sorry :bluush: i'll take care next time :relief:

やはり、「くれる」のほうがいいですね。 My first instinct was that くれる seemed natural, but I could swear that I heard somewhere that もらう was correct and that I was surprised at that. Maybe that was in a dream somewhere. ^_^

Many thanks for the help.
I'm really confused here--I'm not reading the thread correctly??

I thought I said "morau" is better than "kureru" because you're going to ask a favor to the teacher.. :clueless:

やはり、「もらう」のほうがいいですね。 My first instinct was that もらう seemed natural, but I could swear that I heard somewhere that くらる was correct and that I was surprised at that. Maybe that was in a dream somewhere. ^_^

Many thanks for the help.

You can say ことを頼んだ though, right ? The main difference being the formality compared with と頼んだ？
No, that's also wrong.
～ように頼んだ is the only alternative for asking a favor involving action (verb).
～ことを頼む is preceded by an adjective/phrase modifying こと
無理なことを頼む。
出来ないことを頼む。