i just got done with a photo shoot of a young lady that had been in the works for one week.. she emailed me a sample photo.. everything looked promising ... she gets here, she looked a little young, so i asked ... turns out, she's 17 yrs old :shock:
i had her sign a model release, but to my understanding, minors cant give consent? ... she is a model, and said her agent and mom said it was ok ... i dont know ... what do u think should happen at this point? ... im thinking i shouldnt release her photos to her until i have signed signature from her parent or agent?
i dont want to be a hassle, but i want to cover my own bum as well :? .... what would u do?
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But most of us who have friends/relations as a place to start.
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Exactly, you can't release it until the guardian signs it.
I did a shoot with a soon to be model a few montha ago (she was about that age), I didn't have her sign a model release, we did this all for free and her Dad was with her. We agreed that she can do whatever with the photos (I really don't care for the credit of them) and I can do whatever with mine. I even gave her the film negatives and a copy CD of the digital files.
It was just for my school assignment/portfolio, that's all I wanted. I'll never use these photos for anything but my website.
i talked to her mom and her only concern was .. she didnt want me to sell the photos which may conflict with her daughter's modeling contract, which i can understand.. but that was not my intent anyway .. just for my portfolio ....
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turns out the little one is 16yrs :lol: ... but i got some tasteful shot that are age appropriate i think ... nothing sassy ... so im gonna send her a "re-written" contract tomorrow ... before i release a thing
i would only use them for my portfolio as well, but one day her parent may decide she doesnt want me using them ... u know? ... i explained to her that she can use them to promote herself, but she cannot sell them ... plus i was a little disappointed that i couldnt have her pose the way i wanted her too ... she's a minor :? darn
Dew, as a side question, how did you get started working with models? I'm interested in doing some shoots with a model, but not sure where or how to go about getting one...
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(i'm right around the corner from you, in connecticut, so i could go as far afield as NYC if necessary, tho i would like to work closer to home, if possible)
i sent her an email saying that i cant release the photographs without her parent or guardian's signature on the model release ... she said her mom and agent said it was ok ... but i need it in writing
Looks like mine.
Does she get any prints or digital files? Sometimes that legal talk is all screwy in my mind when I'm hungry..(fooodd..)..so I don't know exactly what you're saying.
Just wondering, do you happen to have a stamp to your photographs (actual prints)?
Well I know that minors cannot enter a binding contract, so the guardian will need to sign the contract.
Yah, some close up shots would have been great.
I do like that first shot however.
All of the above. Get written consent from both parents if possible.
well, i guess it keeps me on my toes to get a little more creative with a minor ... i love to work with models and actors/actresses ... most of the time they arent as stiff and know how to pose as oppose to "everyday people" ... she was pretty much a natural ...
kids i dont mind working with (although i havent yet) .. its the teenagers where u get into the grey area ... most of the time, the females want to look older than they are...
but today i have a trans-sexual looking subject ... so wish me luck :lol:
i just couldnt do it, so i told her to make silly faces or look serious, but i didnt tell her to look "sexy" ... i wouldn't have felt good about it :? so now i have to ask for a driver's liscense :lol:
You should get all contracts signed *before* the shoot, have a parent present, and maybe even have a witness of your own present. In this litigious society, you can never be too careful. As for this situation, I would just give them the photos and call it even. Don't even use them (unless you got some extraordinary shots that you want in your portfolio)... Let them have their way, send them packing, and next time get the legalities taken care of before the first shot is taken...
uhhhh ohhhhh, mommy is having a little trouble with some of the conditions on the model release form :shock: ... here's an example of my form:
I,................................................ ........................................, (the models name)
do hereby give, .................................................. .............................. (photographers name)
and his/her assigns, licensees and legal representatives the irrevocable right to use my picture, portrait or photograph in all forms of media and in all manner, including electronic media and/or composite representations, for advertising, trade, or any lawful purposes and I waive any right to approve the finished product.
i got a histerical call from the 17 yr old and her mom is freaking out over the last sentence i believe ... "i waive any right to approve the finished product" ... i told her to have her mom call me or perhaps we can have a meeting over coffee .. i believe she want to alter the contract in some way .. i dont mind that, but i will not share or ask permission to use photographs i have taken with anyone.. i'll trash them first :evil:
she's suppose to call me later, give me some ammo to bring to the table ... does this model release sound unusual?
Yeah, I can understand where you are coming from. You can never be too careful when it comes to those under 18.
I know it'll be on my mind when I am shooting pics of the little one :D
Too many stories of parents getting arrested for child pornography when all they were doing was snapping a photo of an innocent moment. :shrug:
... plus i was a little disappointed that i couldnt have her pose the way i wanted her too ... she's a minor :? darn
:shock:
nothing nude or anything, but i kinda wanted some sexy facial expressions :lol: ... but not with a minor ... i just got a handful of "teenager" looking shots, for right now, i want all my female subjects to look naughty :P
well, she sent me a sample photo and looked at least 24yrs ... and anyone under the age of 21 look all the same to me ... young :lol: ... i would consider changing the contract, but not giving up my ... if they dont sign, they will get not one photo from me ... not even a preview, thats the cost, all or nothing... i was giving her 8x10's of the shoot...
its not that serious to me at this point, this is new york, there is more where that came from :D ... this time .. i will make sure i see a driver's liscense
i've had several actors and a few models that have done photo shoots, they know the procedure and they sign on the dotted line without question..
I must be getting old, the model looks more like 12 to me rather than 17.
That must be it, I'm getting old.
Awesome! Stand that ground :)
If things don't work out, it'll be a shame. but like you just said, there's more where that came from, and I say there's better too (there is always better).
... plus i was a little disappointed that i couldnt have her pose the way i wanted her too ... she's a minor :? darn
:shock:
ditto on the :shock:
i put an ad in the paper .. they do the shoot free for me and i give them a free 8x10's of the shoot ... i have them email me a recent photo of themselves to see it i would be interested in shooting them ... i've got lots of responses ....
i also put an ad in for a make-up artist to collaborate with me for free as well, got lots of responses on that too ...
a lot of people in new york want to be actors or models, portfolios are expensive ... i shoot them for free now to build my portfolio ... next month i charge them ... plus i get free advertisements from the photos i do for them
I love the first photo.
She has nice lips, reminds me of a model from college.
You could have done a lot of nice lip shots with that girl...may be too sexy though..?
Sexy expressions are fine for a 17 yr old. It's not like you're shooting pornography.
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